I think that the insurance data RIGHT NOW would be valuable to have, but I think the moment that report (The original that brought it to attention) was released, I think they (they being insurance companies under pressure politically) would have started laying the ground work for obscuring it. They'll have added policy changes, rules etc to allow for non-transparency.
Lawyers with FOI requests now would be a good idea, if it's not already too late to snap shot the data from 2015-2021.
I worry about EXACTLY the same thing. I know Steve Kirsch was planning to get right on it. Hopefully he is able to act quickly enough, before it's all covered up.
There is a lot of what seems to be missing and what needs to be honestly and transparently analyzed. It is possible that Covid causes delayed deaths, in addition to vaccines causing immediate deaths (1-2 weeks after injections) and delayed deaths as well.
I am not holding my breath,m but in a good country deaths would be released along with some demographic information like "64 year old female, resident of Owasso OK, died on Nov 16, 2020", with perhaps some info from death cert.
It certainly seems plausible that Covid could ultimately accelerate death from other causes. My question is, if that is the case, why didn't the U.K. experience excess mortality from causes other than Covid? Why didn't Canada? Why didn't any of Western Europe? Why was this phenomenon only observed in the U.S.? And only in certain states? For example, neither Alaska nor Hawaii apparently suffered excess death from other causes in 2020. Why not?
Good question. CDC has been taken over by people who are simultaneously crooks AND fools and itis possible that they fudged everything. Covid statistics is a minefield.
I think the question is, should we trust the CDC about ANYTHING, based on what we've seen this past two years (and even earlier, for those of us who were following the autism/vaccine debate)? If the answer is NO, then what do we do?
Jan 10, 2022·edited Jan 10, 2022Liked by Darby Shaw
I deal with this a lot also because I have my own substack and write numbers based articles. It is a generally difficult problem because so much data is fudged and so much data is of low quality.
It is not dissimilar to "who can I believe" in real world. All sorts of passersbys, friends, associates and loved ones could be lying to me. How do I know? This is what wisdom and skepticism is for.
I try to pretend to be an intelligence analyst when I do my research.
I try to find sources where there is less incentive to lie or check if they agree with other similar sources or make sense at all.
A very good outline, thank you! Simply everything will have to become parallel, incl. data gathering. The task in hand is to create such systems that would satisfy the needs; it will take thinkers, organizers, and networks of devoted people to get them up and running. But get them up and running we must because it is a quest for truth, and without truth there is no life. Let dystopia devour the rest.
People with open minds and the right attitude. Say, what if a thousand donors make a commitment to cough up a hundred bucks a month? You would have $100k to play with on a monthly basis.
I like the way you're thinking! And I do believe that something as straight-forward as all-cause mortality could be tracked with a budget that size. There's no doubt that much of what our corrupt and bloated federal government is trying to accomplish with billions of dollars at its disposal could be done much better on a shoestring budget by a private group.
read several books last year re epidemics. after the 2009 flu the agencies were charged w getting ready for the big one. big bucks assigned. we got apparently jackshit for our money.
the actuaries have a report covering up to about may 2020 for individual plans and for group pans (separate reports). they also have reports on the same published in summer 2021, iirc, covering up to about march 2021.
Meanwhile in other countries we find it was in line with 19, or sometimes 20 higher by a little bit but mysteriously 19 is lower than 18, like they shifted 19 deaths into 20.
Also best indicator, avg age of covid death was around life expectancy in many nations!
That means covid didn't reduce years of life.
But now in 21 it's going to be much higher and an average age that is lower because of the clot shots.
"the number of policies paid out per year can exceed the total number of people who die. This is because people who carry life insurance often own more than one policy. " The actuary data cited is from employer-sponsored group plans. The only way they would have more than one policy is if they had more than one job, and each job offered a group plan, and the employee elected each policy.
Maybe because it's a comparison of all life insurance polices versus the data from last year that Kirsch cited (And also the WSJ article today) that was only from employer-sponsored group plans. To put into perspective, I have four life insurance policies and only one is an employer group plan. https://www.wsj.com/articles/rise-in-non-covid-19-deaths-hits-life-insurers-11645576252
The explanation given in the WSJ article suggesting that the excess mortality is from "delayed medical procedures" doesn't pass the common sense test. The data focuses entirely on working-age people employed by companies that offer group plans. This is a healthy demographic. Over 100% of them would have to be delaying medical treatment to contribute to a 40% increase in mortality.
I think that the insurance data RIGHT NOW would be valuable to have, but I think the moment that report (The original that brought it to attention) was released, I think they (they being insurance companies under pressure politically) would have started laying the ground work for obscuring it. They'll have added policy changes, rules etc to allow for non-transparency.
Lawyers with FOI requests now would be a good idea, if it's not already too late to snap shot the data from 2015-2021.
I worry about EXACTLY the same thing. I know Steve Kirsch was planning to get right on it. Hopefully he is able to act quickly enough, before it's all covered up.
Hopefully Aaron Siri at ICAN or Del Bigtrees team will help- Steve seems to have taken on the world all by himself. He's got a lot going on.
Yes, they need to get together and pool their resources.
There is a lot of what seems to be missing and what needs to be honestly and transparently analyzed. It is possible that Covid causes delayed deaths, in addition to vaccines causing immediate deaths (1-2 weeks after injections) and delayed deaths as well.
I am not holding my breath,m but in a good country deaths would be released along with some demographic information like "64 year old female, resident of Owasso OK, died on Nov 16, 2020", with perhaps some info from death cert.
It certainly seems plausible that Covid could ultimately accelerate death from other causes. My question is, if that is the case, why didn't the U.K. experience excess mortality from causes other than Covid? Why didn't Canada? Why didn't any of Western Europe? Why was this phenomenon only observed in the U.S.? And only in certain states? For example, neither Alaska nor Hawaii apparently suffered excess death from other causes in 2020. Why not?
Good question. CDC has been taken over by people who are simultaneously crooks AND fools and itis possible that they fudged everything. Covid statistics is a minefield.
I think the question is, should we trust the CDC about ANYTHING, based on what we've seen this past two years (and even earlier, for those of us who were following the autism/vaccine debate)? If the answer is NO, then what do we do?
I deal with this a lot also because I have my own substack and write numbers based articles. It is a generally difficult problem because so much data is fudged and so much data is of low quality.
It is not dissimilar to "who can I believe" in real world. All sorts of passersbys, friends, associates and loved ones could be lying to me. How do I know? This is what wisdom and skepticism is for.
I try to pretend to be an intelligence analyst when I do my research.
I try to find sources where there is less incentive to lie or check if they agree with other similar sources or make sense at all.
A very good outline, thank you! Simply everything will have to become parallel, incl. data gathering. The task in hand is to create such systems that would satisfy the needs; it will take thinkers, organizers, and networks of devoted people to get them up and running. But get them up and running we must because it is a quest for truth, and without truth there is no life. Let dystopia devour the rest.
It is a great idea to have parallel data collection. But it needs to happen fast, and who will fund it?
People with open minds and the right attitude. Say, what if a thousand donors make a commitment to cough up a hundred bucks a month? You would have $100k to play with on a monthly basis.
I like the way you're thinking! And I do believe that something as straight-forward as all-cause mortality could be tracked with a budget that size. There's no doubt that much of what our corrupt and bloated federal government is trying to accomplish with billions of dollars at its disposal could be done much better on a shoestring budget by a private group.
read several books last year re epidemics. after the 2009 flu the agencies were charged w getting ready for the big one. big bucks assigned. we got apparently jackshit for our money.
in case you hadn't happened upon this resource:
https://www.soa.org/resources/research-reports/2020/impact-coronavirus/
the actuaries have a report covering up to about may 2020 for individual plans and for group pans (separate reports). they also have reports on the same published in summer 2021, iirc, covering up to about march 2021.
Thank you so much, Jen. I will take a look at these.
Very interesting information, Darby Shaw -thanks very much!
Yeah the all cause 20 data was fishy.
Meanwhile in other countries we find it was in line with 19, or sometimes 20 higher by a little bit but mysteriously 19 is lower than 18, like they shifted 19 deaths into 20.
Also best indicator, avg age of covid death was around life expectancy in many nations!
That means covid didn't reduce years of life.
But now in 21 it's going to be much higher and an average age that is lower because of the clot shots.
"the number of policies paid out per year can exceed the total number of people who die. This is because people who carry life insurance often own more than one policy. " The actuary data cited is from employer-sponsored group plans. The only way they would have more than one policy is if they had more than one job, and each job offered a group plan, and the employee elected each policy.
Thank you for this input. But then why does the number exceed the total number who died in some years?
Maybe because it's a comparison of all life insurance polices versus the data from last year that Kirsch cited (And also the WSJ article today) that was only from employer-sponsored group plans. To put into perspective, I have four life insurance policies and only one is an employer group plan. https://www.wsj.com/articles/rise-in-non-covid-19-deaths-hits-life-insurers-11645576252
Yes, that sounds right.
The explanation given in the WSJ article suggesting that the excess mortality is from "delayed medical procedures" doesn't pass the common sense test. The data focuses entirely on working-age people employed by companies that offer group plans. This is a healthy demographic. Over 100% of them would have to be delaying medical treatment to contribute to a 40% increase in mortality.